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		<title>By: Gamble2</title>
		<link>http://pickuppodcast.com/2008/09/15/masculinity-from-the-female-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-387</link>
		<dc:creator>Gamble2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 03:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;However, after the realization that they are just collecting empty phone numbers, they come down from the apex and fall into &quot;the dark spot.&quot;Ã‚Â It&#039;s the period of doubt, epiphany, and realized hypocrisy that every person who has graduated into the mid to upper echelons of the pick-up arts has been through&quot;

Brilliant!

I think this is a huge issue that the community needs to take on much more than it has - you&#039;re the first I&#039;ve heard acknowledge this phase and its important and I&#039;d love to see more discussion of it.

The traditional pickup wisdom is always simply &quot;sarge it out&quot; or &quot;keep going&quot;. While this may work for some people the truth is that this period is not so easily conquered for most of us. There&#039;s this quote &quot;problems cannot be solved by the same level of thinking that created them&quot;. This is the case with almost everyone&#039;s first go around with pickup. You try to solve the problem by learning a bunch of theory and techniques and a certain blustery confidence and to your surprise it works! You&#039;re ecstatic and you think that pickup is the best thing ever. But after the initial rush fades, and this can be a very long time (2 years in some cases I&#039;ve seen) you are forced to return to yourself and confront the issues that led you to study pickup in the first place. Chances are you are coming from a fundamentally insecure, small-sense-of-self, low-self-esteem place that you got stuck with as a result of the debilitating social conditioning most young men get unconsciously in high school. And you&#039;re using pickup to run from that. It&#039;s not a bad thing, it just is the case for most of us.

&quot;Graduating&quot; to the next level entails changing the level of thinking. I am just emerging from my dark spot, so it may be too soon for me to say anything about this definitively, but to me the answer is all in knowing yourself.

In my first go round it was all about playing this &quot;cool guy character&quot;, which worked surprisingly well for picking up girls for a while, but ultimately distanced me from myself. I think the community has a disturbing tendency to encourage this, which leads to a lot of really negative narcissistic &quot;I&#039;m such a pimp&quot; behavior. I see people like this all the time and this is, in my opinion, the community&#039;s biggest fault.

Guys, at the end of the day, you are who you are. Even if you have wild success pretending to be someone you&#039;re not, this success will be empty because no one will really know you and you will know yourself less.

The dark place I think you&#039;re talking about, Zip, is when you&#039;re forced to confront that fact. And you can avoid that for years (I suspect even some gurus haven&#039;t yet dealt with it) but if you stay with this community you will go through it.

And you will be a better person on the other side.

Thanks for the post, Zip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;However, after the realization that they are just collecting empty phone numbers, they come down from the apex and fall into &#8220;the dark spot.&#8221;Ã‚Â It&#8217;s the period of doubt, epiphany, and realized hypocrisy that every person who has graduated into the mid to upper echelons of the pick-up arts has been through&#8221;</p>
<p>Brilliant!</p>
<p>I think this is a huge issue that the community needs to take on much more than it has &#8211; you&#8217;re the first I&#8217;ve heard acknowledge this phase and its important and I&#8217;d love to see more discussion of it.</p>
<p>The traditional pickup wisdom is always simply &#8220;sarge it out&#8221; or &#8220;keep going&#8221;. While this may work for some people the truth is that this period is not so easily conquered for most of us. There&#8217;s this quote &#8220;problems cannot be solved by the same level of thinking that created them&#8221;. This is the case with almost everyone&#8217;s first go around with pickup. You try to solve the problem by learning a bunch of theory and techniques and a certain blustery confidence and to your surprise it works! You&#8217;re ecstatic and you think that pickup is the best thing ever. But after the initial rush fades, and this can be a very long time (2 years in some cases I&#8217;ve seen) you are forced to return to yourself and confront the issues that led you to study pickup in the first place. Chances are you are coming from a fundamentally insecure, small-sense-of-self, low-self-esteem place that you got stuck with as a result of the debilitating social conditioning most young men get unconsciously in high school. And you&#8217;re using pickup to run from that. It&#8217;s not a bad thing, it just is the case for most of us.</p>
<p>&#8220;Graduating&#8221; to the next level entails changing the level of thinking. I am just emerging from my dark spot, so it may be too soon for me to say anything about this definitively, but to me the answer is all in knowing yourself.</p>
<p>In my first go round it was all about playing this &#8220;cool guy character&#8221;, which worked surprisingly well for picking up girls for a while, but ultimately distanced me from myself. I think the community has a disturbing tendency to encourage this, which leads to a lot of really negative narcissistic &#8220;I&#8217;m such a pimp&#8221; behavior. I see people like this all the time and this is, in my opinion, the community&#8217;s biggest fault.</p>
<p>Guys, at the end of the day, you are who you are. Even if you have wild success pretending to be someone you&#8217;re not, this success will be empty because no one will really know you and you will know yourself less.</p>
<p>The dark place I think you&#8217;re talking about, Zip, is when you&#8217;re forced to confront that fact. And you can avoid that for years (I suspect even some gurus haven&#8217;t yet dealt with it) but if you stay with this community you will go through it.</p>
<p>And you will be a better person on the other side.</p>
<p>Thanks for the post, Zip.</p>
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		<title>By: SweetElectricity</title>
		<link>http://pickuppodcast.com/2008/09/15/masculinity-from-the-female-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-386</link>
		<dc:creator>SweetElectricity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zip, you are officially the most attractive woman to ever write an article.  A woman using scientific terms is hot!

You can pass through my golden gate anytime ;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zip, you are officially the most attractive woman to ever write an article.  A woman using scientific terms is hot!</p>
<p>You can pass through my golden gate anytime ;]</p>
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		<title>By: Whitney</title>
		<link>http://pickuppodcast.com/2008/09/15/masculinity-from-the-female-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-385</link>
		<dc:creator>Whitney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony- best of luck man. You&#039;re right... the serendipitous journey ahead can only be experienced by you and you alone (though you may have people come in and out of your path.)

I&#039;m an existentialist, and I truly believe that we all are our own islands. Our unique experiences as a living being cannot be shared with anyone else to the fullest extent that you experience it. This is not meant to be nihilistic, rather, empowering.

Though I live on my own island, I&#039;m throwing a BBQ on it. And inviting all the other islands I&#039;ve built bridges to over to shotgun some Bud. :)

-Zip</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony- best of luck man. You&#8217;re right&#8230; the serendipitous journey ahead can only be experienced by you and you alone (though you may have people come in and out of your path.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m an existentialist, and I truly believe that we all are our own islands. Our unique experiences as a living being cannot be shared with anyone else to the fullest extent that you experience it. This is not meant to be nihilistic, rather, empowering.</p>
<p>Though I live on my own island, I&#8217;m throwing a BBQ on it. And inviting all the other islands I&#8217;ve built bridges to over to shotgun some Bud. <img src='http://pickuppodcast.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>-Zip</p>
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		<title>By: Danny H</title>
		<link>http://pickuppodcast.com/2008/09/15/masculinity-from-the-female-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-384</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s intresting to have a women write an article on male alphaness !!!

Great stuff Zip and thanks for the perspective !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s intresting to have a women write an article on male alphaness !!!</p>
<p>Great stuff Zip and thanks for the perspective !</p>
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		<title>By: TonyS</title>
		<link>http://pickuppodcast.com/2008/09/15/masculinity-from-the-female-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-383</link>
		<dc:creator>TonyS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know... I&#039;m attempting to find my way out of the dark woods as we speak... and I was tempted to ask your advice on how to proceed, but then I thought about it for a second, and I don&#039;t need and couldn&#039;t use your advice on this one.  It would be unfair to both of us to ask.

The path to becoming an alpha depends entirely on where you&#039;re starting from, and it&#039;s a path that one must travel alone.  Friends can accompany you on the trip, but by definition, the path to becoming an alpha has to start with directing your own life as you see fit, no matter where it might take you.

&quot;It&#039;s dangerous business walking out your front door... &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know&#8230; I&#8217;m attempting to find my way out of the dark woods as we speak&#8230; and I was tempted to ask your advice on how to proceed, but then I thought about it for a second, and I don&#8217;t need and couldn&#8217;t use your advice on this one.  It would be unfair to both of us to ask.</p>
<p>The path to becoming an alpha depends entirely on where you&#8217;re starting from, and it&#8217;s a path that one must travel alone.  Friends can accompany you on the trip, but by definition, the path to becoming an alpha has to start with directing your own life as you see fit, no matter where it might take you.</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s dangerous business walking out your front door&#8230; &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: cash0402</title>
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		<dc:creator>cash0402</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i read your article and the theory/argument buildup is very intriguing however as you have lead up to that dark area where your trying to strike that delicate balance you left a large hole in what to do to manage, recognize, and/or change-which implies growth. if you could elaborate that would be great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i read your article and the theory/argument buildup is very intriguing however as you have lead up to that dark area where your trying to strike that delicate balance you left a large hole in what to do to manage, recognize, and/or change-which implies growth. if you could elaborate that would be great.</p>
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